Comments on: Some worms capable of passing on pathogens http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/ ... a day in the life of Crohn's disease ... Thu, 19 Apr 2012 03:08:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: I http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-888 I Sun, 16 May 2010 17:04:54 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-888 I do want to add that the fact that Nottingham and Australia are doing double-blind studies on hookworm infection, means that they had to get through a rigorous ethics committee, who must have determined that hookworm infection is safe. I'm sure the resevoir donors are tested for the basic nasties. Also, considering how many millions of people are infected with hookworms, and that there hasn't been any studies about coinfection until now, means either that it is a poorly neglected area of research, or the risks are low. This study is recent, and stresses that more research is needed. Also, the bacteria themselves may be part of the immunomodulatory properties, we don't know. I think the fear we have in our modern society of bugs and germs also makes us fear any risk of contamination. I do think the providers should provide what's necessary to mitigate risk, and if their patients ask for proof of blood tests to show they are free of any blood born pathogens, they should offer them. But the risk is probably low, if any, and for most of us, the risk of living with our prespective diseases or the drugs offered to us are far greater. I do want to add that the fact that Nottingham and Australia are doing double-blind studies on hookworm infection, means that they had to get through a rigorous ethics committee, who must have determined that hookworm infection is safe. I’m sure the resevoir donors are tested for the basic nasties. Also, considering how many millions of people are infected with hookworms, and that there hasn’t been any studies about coinfection until now, means either that it is a poorly neglected area of research, or the risks are low. This study is recent, and stresses that more research is needed. Also, the bacteria themselves may be part of the immunomodulatory properties, we don’t know.

I think the fear we have in our modern society of bugs and germs also makes us fear any risk of contamination. I do think the providers should provide what’s necessary to mitigate risk, and if their patients ask for proof of blood tests to show they are free of any blood born pathogens, they should offer them. But the risk is probably low, if any, and for most of us, the risk of living with our prespective diseases or the drugs offered to us are far greater.

]]> By: Jacin http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-849 Jacin Mon, 29 Mar 2010 02:09:53 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-849 Slightly Off Topic but interesting: Stats for Autoimmunity Prevalence currently are likely wholly inaccurate. Simply no one is doing the stats correctly. One problem is that most people do not even realise their diseae is an Autoimmune disease. No one is keeping count ! My guestimate is many more people have Autoimmunity than is guestimated currently. For example: If I ask my neighbour she has Autoimmunity and her friends have autoimmunity..in my family Autoimmunity..people at work Autoimmunity. http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/a/ai/stats-country.htm Saying all this...I hope there is more discussion On Topic ! Slightly Off Topic but interesting:

Stats for Autoimmunity Prevalence currently are likely wholly inaccurate. Simply no one is doing the stats correctly.

One problem is that most people do not even realise their diseae is an Autoimmune disease.
No one is keeping count !
My guestimate is many more people have Autoimmunity than is guestimated currently.

For example:
If I ask my neighbour she has Autoimmunity and her friends have autoimmunity..in my family Autoimmunity..people at work Autoimmunity.

http://www.wrongdiagnosis.com/a/ai/stats-country.htm

Saying all this…I hope there is more discussion On Topic !

]]> By: Jacin http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-839 Jacin Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:28:10 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-839 I just wanted to state..that I see hear and feel that there are a lot of scared people writing in this thread. I noted in this study (I dont know the results) where they were looking at the difference of natural infection and antibiotic washed infection. http://www.jcu.edu.au/vbms/idc/groups/public/documents/newsletter/jcuprd_038383.pdf I just wanted to state..that I see hear and feel that there are a lot of scared people writing in this thread.

I noted in this study (I dont know the results) where they were looking at the difference of natural infection and antibiotic washed infection.

http://www.jcu.edu.au/vbms/idc/groups/public/documents/newsletter/jcuprd_038383.pdf

]]> By: Leo http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-838 Leo Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:09:46 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-838 Talking more about Prions and the possible risk of CJD - in 1999 the FDA imposed a ban on blood donations from anyone who has spent more than six months in Britain from 1980 to 1997 because of the possible risk of transmitting the human form of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, known as variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD). If small amounts of blood or blood products are passed on via worms then people from the UK or who lived there during the BSE epidemic should consider acting as reservoirs and larvae donors. Talking more about Prions and the possible risk of CJD – in 1999 the FDA imposed a ban on blood donations from anyone who has spent more than six months in Britain from 1980 to 1997 because of the possible risk of transmitting the human form of bovine spongiform encephalopathy, known as variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD).

If small amounts of blood or blood products are passed on via worms then people from the UK or who lived there during the BSE epidemic should consider acting as reservoirs and larvae donors.

]]> By: admin http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-837 admin Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:57:05 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-837 Can't the strongyloides larvae be differentiated under the microscope? Can’t the strongyloides larvae be differentiated under the microscope?

]]> By: Leo http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-836 Leo Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:29:00 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-836 What about Prions? Mutant proteins that are implicated in spongiform brain diseases. Try detecting them... and then try eradicating them without killing the worms. Impossible. There are more viruses, virinos etc in the oceans that we swim in regularly than there could be in a few dozen hookworm. What about Prions? Mutant proteins that are implicated in spongiform brain diseases. Try detecting them… and then try eradicating them without killing the worms. Impossible. There are more viruses, virinos etc in the oceans that we swim in regularly than there could be in a few dozen hookworm.

]]> By: Jacin http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-835 Jacin Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:24:47 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-835 Nice Thread ! We have more DNA that is non-human in our bodies than we have human DNA.. We are the total of these parts! Perhaps specific bacteria that live on the Hookworm make the immune modulation more effective than without ! Nice Thread !
We have more DNA that is non-human in our bodies than we have human DNA..

We are the total of these parts!

Perhaps specific bacteria that live on the Hookworm make the immune modulation more effective than without !

]]> By: Katie http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-829 Katie Wed, 24 Mar 2010 17:25:21 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-829 This has always been my main concern about starting worm therapy. There are no biosafety measures in place to prove that these parasites are free from bacteria or viruses. And we are supposed to beleive what the seller is telling us. If we have to submit blood work before getting the worms from AIT, why don't they supply us with the report of how sterile the worms are? And can't there be another problem with strongyloids being undetected? That is another issue. It's all so discouraging! This has always been my main concern about starting worm therapy. There are no biosafety measures in place to prove that these parasites are free from bacteria or viruses. And we are supposed to beleive what the seller is telling us. If we have to submit blood work before getting the worms from AIT, why don’t they supply us with the report of how sterile the worms are? And can’t there be another problem with strongyloids being undetected? That is another issue. It’s all so discouraging!

]]> By: admin http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-827 admin Wed, 24 Mar 2010 14:32:19 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-827 Mike, AIT has two blood test results in the File section of the yahoo helminthic therapy section under "Resevoir test results June 08". He and Michelle tested free of HIV, the Hepatitises and salmonella, shigella, and campylobactor. They tested negative for parasites. I'm sure they've done more blood tests since then. Ask AIT. Mike,

AIT has two blood test results in the File section of the yahoo helminthic therapy section under “Resevoir test results June 08″. He and Michelle tested free of HIV, the Hepatitises and salmonella, shigella, and campylobactor. They tested negative for parasites.

I’m sure they’ve done more blood tests since then. Ask AIT.

]]> By: Percy http://waitingforthecure.com/I/2010/03/23/some-worms-capable-of-passing-on-pathogens/comment-page-1/#comment-825 Percy Wed, 24 Mar 2010 04:46:45 +0000 http://waitingforthecure.com/I/?p=984#comment-825 A quick search of the AIT site reveald this piece of misinfomation: "Despite significant research in this area of medicine there has never been a report that hookworm or whipworm can transmit viruses, bacteria or fungi." I wonder if Jasper meant to be dileberately misleading? A quick search of the AIT site reveald this piece of misinfomation:

“Despite significant research in this area of medicine there has never been a report that hookworm or whipworm can transmit viruses, bacteria or fungi.”

I wonder if Jasper meant to be dileberately misleading?

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